12-09-2011 Joint Meeting with School Board and Audit Committee


The School Board of Brevard County, Florida met for a Joint Meeting with the Audit Committee on Friday, December 9, 2011, at the Educational Services Facility, 2700 Judge Fran Jamieson Way, Viera, Florida. Notice of the meeting was advertised in the Florida Today newspaper on Wednesday, December 7-9, 2011. The affidavit of publication with a copy of the ad attached is filed in the Affidavit File in the Office of Accounting Services.

Opening Exercises
1. Opening Exercises


The Joint Meeting with the School Board and the Audit Committee was called to order by Art Edwards, Chairman of the Audit Committee at 9:00 a.m.

Mr. Edwards began the meeting with a safety message in accordance with the time of year. He turned the meeting over to Mike Pattillo from Ernst & Young.

Roll Call
2. Roll Call


School Board Members Present: Dr. Barbara Murray, Dr. Michael Krupp, Amy Kneessy, Karen Henderson, Andy Ziegler

Audit Committee Members Present: Art Edwards, Tim Skeldon, Wayne Cooper, Don Lusk, Frank Zilaitis, Jennifer Murtha, Clara Ewing, Jill Reyes

District Employees and Board Attorney: Sandy Demmon, Judy Preston, Jo Ann Clark and Harold Bistline

Pledge of Allegiance
Order of Business
3. Ernst & Young - Review of 2011 Audit Report
Attachment: E&Y 2011 Audit Results 12-7-11.pdf

Mike Pattillo, Partner, and Chris McDirmit, Audit Manager, with Ernst & Young, LLP, who presented a high-level overview of the 2011 Audit Report.  Mr. Pattillo took this opportunity to thank the Audit Committee, School Board Members, and the district staff for all of their support and hard work during the audit.

Mr. McDirmit highlighted some of the critical policies, estimates, and areas of emphasis that were considered for the audit.

Mr. Pattillo and Mr. McDirmit responded to questions from Mr. Ziegler and Ms. Kneessy in regard to compensated absences and maintenance depreciation.

School Board Chairman Dr. Barbara Murray turned the meeting over to Chairman Art Edwards.

~Copies of the Financial Statement Audit Results are located in the School Board Office and the Office of Accounting.

4. RSM McGladrey - 2012 Internal Audit Update
Attachment: RSM High Risk Audit Universe Update 12-9-11.pdf
Minutes: Jennifer Murtha, Representative for RSM McGladrey, requested from the audit committee to give their 2012 Internal Audit Report in conjunction with the Audit Committee report so there is no duplicate information given.
5. Progress on Audit Committee Goals
Attachment: Audit Committee 2011-12 Mid-Term Report 12-9-11.pdf
Attachment: RSM Estimated Audit Timeline 12-9-11.pdf

Art Edwards, Audit Committee Chairman, gave a presentation on the Audit Committee 2011-2012 Mid-Term Report. He turned the meeting over to Ms. Murtha who went over the timeline and the Updated High Risk Audit Universe.

Ms. Murtha presented the 2012 Internal Audit Update to the School Board and the Audit Committee.

6. Board Concerns


Ms. Kneessy questioned how RSM McGladrey audits, to ensure purchase orders that exceed the board policy threshold for the bids that need to come before the board, are not broken down into smaller bids that do not have to come before the board.

Ms. Murtha stated that RSM will be looking at the controls currently in place as part of the audit plan. She stated that RSM will look at the design. If there are good controls in place, the controls will be tested beginning in February 2012.

Ms. Murtha explained to the Board, as it related to what happened in the Maintenance Department, is that decentralization of how the quotes are gathered is where the critical control gap failed. It is where you had a director who overrode the control. Ms. Murtha stated that part of the control process that the director sign it.

After discussion about how the issues in the Maintenance Department were brought to light and whether it was something that the audit committee could have found during their audit, Ms. Murtha stated in their fraud awareness training, there are statistics that state that 52 percent of all fraud is detected through a tip.  She also pointed out that audit's only detect about 7 percent of fraud statistically.

Ms. Kneessy mentioned to the audit committee that the Board had a workshop on generating revenue through advertising. She stated that the outcome of that meeting is that the Board would be approving this course of action to look for any source of revenue possible. Ms. Kneessy brought this concern forward to make sure that there is a watch system in place so as the revenues come in they are being appropriately handled and no one is circumventing the rules. Ms. Murtha stated that Ms. Kneessy is speaking of a cycle audit.

Ms. Henderson brought up concerns as it relates to inventory control. Dr. Murray stated that the Board's concerns were all valid, but they are not the type of things that would necessarily show up in an audit.

Ms. Preston asked to say a few words about RSM McGladrey. She noted that in July and August, RSM is under a separate contract with Brevard Public Schools.  They are contracted to do the school internal accounts.

Ms. Preston noted that the purchasing contract management, in which there was a lot of discussion, was already in the works prior to the maintenance concerns.

Dr. Murray stated that the district has many booster clubs that may not run their funding through internal accounts and keep it to their own not-for-profit. She questioned what the authority and oversight is for these types of funds. Dr. Murray stated that she did not believe that we have any authority or oversight, yet they are using our infrastructure to make this money for the booster clubs. She asked if they are required to go through any auditing or reporting process.

Ms. Murtha stated when RSM does the internal accounts audits, the booster clubs are required to give the school a report at the end of the school year. She noted that in some cases the person in charge of the booster club gives a very detailed report and in other cases, it is one sheet of paper.

Dr. Murray questioned whether we have any authority over the quality of reporting that we receive from the booster clubs.

Ms. Clark stated since the boosters are a corporation in and of themself, they do not report under our internal account. Therefore, we do not have any authority to monitor or require anything of them as far as their financial records are concerned.

Dr. Murray questioned if we have any ability to say if they are going to be one of our booster clubs, that they will provide us with certain information once a year.  Ms. Reyes stated that statutorily the district does not have that authority, but as a Board you could require it.

Mr. Ziegler noted that four to five years ago, it was required that the booster clubs start transitioning funds through the schools foundation. He stated there is auditing on that which is required by the schools foundation. Mr. Ziegler stated that the Board required the club incorporate certain policies into their by-laws. He stated that we have had oversight.

Dr. Murray stated that she was aware that there has been some oversight, but it has not been consistent.

Mr. Bistline stated that the Board has the authority to set the rules for those that will be using the school facilities or connected with the school operations.  He stated what the booster clubs do with their money needs to be look at for Title IX purposes.  That needs to be taken into account when you are talking about the resources that are provided in the girls and boys sports.  Mr. Bistline stated that we have a lot of authority in that area but is not sure that the district is exercising it.

Dr. Murray stated that she would like to see a consistent detailed report so the district is not in a position to be vulnerable with any of the groups that they are supporting. She noted that she appreciates what all of our boosters do.

Mr. Zilaitis is concerned that the people that are running the booster clubs are already overwhelmed.  He stated that if we throw an accounting nightmare into these little organizations, it a good way to make sure that the district has no volunteerism, from his perspective.

Dr. Krupp stated that with school based management, the principal ultimately decides which groups are going to be outside the venue of internal accounts.

Mr. Edwards asked if would be appropriate to take an action for the audit committee, outside of this meeting, to go and look into the external account vs. internal accounts and come back to the Board with their findings.

Dr. Murray asked for the wishes of the Board. They were all in agreement.

Mr. Edwards stated that in addition, the audit committee will also take action to follow along with the generating advertising revenue.  He stated that he would let the Board know what the audit committee thinks in terms of the audit committees responsibility and how we should proceed.

7. Annual Presentation to the School Board 2012

Closing Remarks
8. Closing Remarks


Mr. Edwards thanked the Board for their attention and presence at this meeting. He said that it is nice to see you and to know whether the audit committee is heading in the right direction or needing recalibrating.

Ms. Edwards extended an invitation to the Board to attend the audit committee meeting.

Dr. Murray, on behalf of the Board, stated their appreciation for the internal audit committee and the audit committee for all the work that they do. She noted that it certainly helps support the mission of the School Board, quality control, and their individual expertise and the expertise as a whole.  Dr. Murray thanked them for serving the school district in the manner you do effectively.

9. Adjournment

Minutes: Mr. Edwards adjourned the Joint Meeting of the Audit Committee and the School Board Members at 10:09 a.m.